Proviron vs Masteron on HairlossBy jeffjJune 13, in Steroid and Testosterone information. Ran tren at mg ew, ran dbol at masteron vs proviron hair loss ed both in same trenbolone adverse effects ran mg ed anavar. Ran 1g test before also 75mg ed proviron etc. If you have the genetics to go bald you will, whatever happens. AAS will just speed it provirom.
Masteron Vs Proviron?
Was just wondering what ur thoughts r on this. I've never taken prov with any cycle but i have extensive knowledge with mast and inject win. I honestly was never an oral fan at all.
I don't really add it to cycles at all anymore but I def am interested in throwing in some prov into a mix perhaps instead of masteron Read more or register here to join the discussion below Please complete this form and click the button below to gain instant access.
We hate SPAM and promise to keep your email address safe. Register Help Members Login. Register Gallery Today's Posts Search. Welcome to the EliteFitness. Please join this discussion about proviron vs masteron within the Anabolic Steroids category. Page 1 of 2 1 2 Last Jump to page: Results 1 to 10 of Drostanolone is structurally a 2-methylated form of the hormone dihydrotestosterone DHT , which is formed when testosterone interacts with the 5-alpha-reductase enzyme.
DHT is dreaded by many who fear androgenic side-effects such as increased acne and body hair, loss of hair and prostate hypertrophy. That means androgenically speaking, no steroid is quite as powerful as DHT.
For those looking to reduce body-fat and water retention such a compound is literally a dream. Drostanolone, being 5-alpha reduced, cannot form estrogen upon interaction with the aromatase enzyme yet still shows a very high affinity for it.
Because it takes up so much of the aromatase enzyme, yet is refrained from actually using it by its structural make-up, it reduces the amount of estrogen formed1 from other steroids as well because there are less aromatase enzymes to be used by those compounds to form estrogen with.
This made stacking with slightly aromatizing compounds such as boldenone much more bearable as it eliminated even the slight aromatisation of such substances. So for bodybuilders the use of drostanolone is not only in limiting estrogens in question, but also eliminating possible estrogen formation from other steroids used during this time for increased anabolic or anti-catabolic activity.
This because, especially for larger bodybuilders, drostanolone alone does not suffice to retain the maximum amount of weight. The reduction of estrogenic capacity of course made drostanolone ill-suited for use as a mass-builder. In fact the gains on it were quite limited. Someone seeking to gain muscle mass rarely, if ever, resorted to a DHT compound.
But coupled to its extreme androgenic qualities it lead to the perfect compound to retain strength and mass while shedding body-fat. The absence of estrogen refrained it from increasing water or salt retention, and there is evidence that the androgenic component may expedite the fat loss process2. The exact mechanims by which a rise in androgens stimulates fat loss is not known, but it is theorized that it may be due to catecholamine-induced epinephrine, norepinephrine and dopamine lipolysis, caused by the androgen increasing the number of beta-adrenergic receptors the primary triggers for fat mobilization on the membrane surface of fat cells.
It is my understanding however that the noted decrease in body-fat is mainly due to a slight increase in lean mass and a stagnation of the body-fat, automatically resulting in a loss of body-fat in percentages, after recalibration. This would also highly promote its use for power- and weightlifters as they compete in weight classes. Drostanolone can promote the increased strength while keeping body-fat the same or even lowering it.
Allowing for an increased perfomance without the risk of being cast into a higher and more difficult weight class. One possible use for drostanolone during the off-season, when gaining mass, may be DHT's affinity for the binding proteins of sex steroids: Normally a large amount of testosterone cannot be used by the body in anabolic functions because it is mostly bound to these plasma proteins.
When testosterone is administered along with a DHT-compound, the DHT will take up most of the Protein and allow the testosterone to exert its massive anabolic effects, thereby increasing the possible gains, especially in lower doses. Of course, due to the limited availability of drostanolone and its high price, this is the type of situation one usually resorts to mesterolone 1-methyl-DHT as in proviron for. Its cheaper and equally effective to serve this particular purpose but notably weaker in other aspects, since like DHT its readily deactivated in muscle tissue by the 3-alpha-hydroxysteroid dehydrogenase enzyme.
When discussing the side-effects, for once I'm going to go easy. This is because most people are well aware of the side-effects of DHT compounds and scared to death of them because androgenic side-effects caused by mass compounds like testosterone are largely attributed to the formation of DHT at the 5AR receptor enzyme.
This may be a time to step back and look what sort of damage DHT can realistically do. An increase in acne is almost always noted, but if that doesn't seem to bother you with other steroids, then why with a short-acting androgen like drostanolone?
Hair loss seems to be the major concern, but if you've dealt with the use of steroids before or are educated to their effects you are aware that it merely speeds up a genetically pre-existing condition of male pattern hair loss androgenetic alopecia.
Androgenetic alopecia is passed on through the X chromosome and thus in matri-linear fashion mothers side. The rule of thumb being quite simple: Yes, it really can be that simple. That only leaves benign prostate hypertrophy enlarged prostate and the related conditions such as prostate cancer. Recent evidence shows that estrogen too is a mediator in the development of this condition, which would lead us to draw the conclusion that a purely androgenic compound, lest taken with a highly aromatizing substance, has considerably less risk for aggravating such a condition than DHT formed by testosterone.
These last two paragraphs to show that perhaps the side-effects of DHT are largely exaggerated. But that doesn't mean they just went away because I said so, extreme caution needs to be exercised by individuals at risk for hair loss and prostate problems.
But to add one last bit of perspective, keep in mind that this compound is injected and spread across the body evenly. When DHT is formed by testosterone, its formed in androgen specific tissues, meaning its mostly concentrated in scalp, skin and prostate, which isn't the case here. Perhaps the most favorable effect of drostanolone is that it can increase muscle hardness and density in the athlete, giving him a more complete and finished look when he steps on stage.
A lot of pure androgens have this effect. But with all of them you need an already rather low body-fat level for it to take full effect. A lot of people who had heard of this effect experimented with drostanolone and were sorely disappointed because they were too fat when they started. Drostanolone is usually a propionate, which is a short-acting ester.
That means frequent injections every hours are needed for maximum effect. This can be quite a pain and cause abscesses due to the many injection marks at the same site, but this has positives too: Drostanolone propionate can be hid from detection in two weeks or less, making it safe for use up to that point without fear of being exposed at a drug test.
Not that it would necessarily interrupt plans if it was, because eventhough chromatographic tests have been able to detect DHT compounds since , they are rarely implemented in most sports. No doubt that gave it an edge over things like stanazolol for many athletes. One major downside is that as time goes by the odds of finding Masteron are quite slim. On some foreign markets there are some masteron analogs available, but even these are quite rare and very expensive on European and American domestic markets.
Drostanolone is not a drug that requires the use of alternate drugs. People with a tendency for hypertension may want to take the necessary precautions, but drostanolone does not aromatize at any rate making the use of anti-estrogens irrelevant, both during a cycle to prevent side-effects as post-cycle to boost natural testosterone E.
There is simply no need for alternate drugs and because its an esterified injectable there is no hazard to the liver worth mentioning either. Best use is to inject mg every day to every other day, depending on your degree of expertise in training and your size of course.
Most beginners will be quite satisfied with either 50 mg every other day or mg every 3 days. Mostly used in conjunction with other drugs as DHT is quite easily de-activated in the body althouth drostanolone's 2-methyl group protects it somewhat from deactivation by stabilizing the 3-keto group.
Drostanolone is best stacked with something in the nature of boldenone Equipoise at mg a week. The boldenone gives increased vascularity and the drostanolone adds muscle density while the stack as a whole preserves muscle mass. The drostanolone doesn't stay active at the AR very much, often being drawn to SHBG, albumin, aromatase or 3bHSD, but still adds distinct hardness and boosts strength to some degree.
Adding winstrol, which has higher activity at the Androgen Receptor and some affinity for the progesterone receptor may form quite a synergistic stack. It would also be safe to throw in some nandrolone deca-Durabolin at mg per week. One would almost never use drostanolone while trying to gain mass, except in order to block the aromatase enzyme, which forms estrogen. But a better option there is Proviron, an analog DHT-compound mesterolone which is basically only used for that purpose.
Drostanolone is too expensive and too hard to come by to employ it for that reason. Mesterolone is an orally active, 1-methylated DHT. Like Masteron, but then actually delivered in an oral fashion. DHT is the conversion product of testosterone at the 5-alpha-reductase enzyme, the result being a hormone that is 3 to 4 times as androgenic and is structurally incapable of forming estrogen.
One would imagine then that mesterolone would be a perfect drug to enhance strength and add small but completely lean gains to the frame. Unfortunately there is a control mechanism for DHT in the human body. When levels get too high, the 3alpha hydroxysteroid dehydrogenase enzyme converts it to a mostly inactive compound known as 3-alpha 5-alpha-androstan-3alpha,17beta-diol , a prohormone if you will.
But it means that unless one uses ridiculously high amounts, most of what is administered is quite useless at the height of the androgen receptor in muscle tissue and thus mesterolone is not particularly suited, if at all, to promote muscle hypertrophy.
Proviron has four distinct uses in the world of bodybuilding. The first being the result of its structure. It is 5-alpha reduced and not capable of forming estrogen, yet it nonetheless has a much higher affinity for the aromatase enzyme which converts testosterone to estrogen than testosterone does.
That means in administering it with testosterone or another aromatizable compound, it prevents estrogen build-up because it binds to the aromatase enzyme very strongly, thereby preventing these steroids from interacting with it and forming estrogen. So Mesterolone use has the extreme benefit of reducing estrogenic side-effects and water retention noted with other steroids, and as such still help to provide mostly lean gains.
Its also been suggested that it may actually downgrade the actual estrogen receptor making it doubly effective at reducing circulating estrogen levels. The second use is in enhancing the potency of testosterone. As much as 97 or 98 percent of testosterone in that amount is bound to sex hormone binding globulin SHBG and albumin, two proteins. In such a form testosterone is mostly inactive. But as with the aromatase enzyme, DHT has a higher affinity for these proteins than testosterone does, so when administered simultaneously the mesterolone will attach to the SHBG and albumin, leaving larger amounts of free testosterone to mediate anabolic activities such as Protein synthesis.
Another way in which it helps to increase gains. Its also another part of the equation that makes it ineffective on its own, as binding to these proteins too, would render it a non-issue at the androgen receptor. Thirdly, mesterolone is added in pre-contest phases to increase a distinct hardness and muscle density. Probably due to its reduction in circulating estrogen, perhaps due to the downregulating of the estrogen receptor in muscle tissue, it decreases the total water build-up of the body giving its user a much leaner look, and a visual effect of possessing "harder" muscles with more cuts and striations.
Proviron is often used as a last-minute secret by a lot of bodybuilders and both actors and models have used it time and again to deliver top shape day in day out, when needed.