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Wiki Research Mission Statement Donate! Who has run proviron? Results 1 to 24 of How does it compare to Masteron? Was it beneficial, would you run it again? I've run Masteron mg and loved it. Muscles look lean, but still full. Love the way it enhances your physique At this moment, I could get a really sweet deal that would make Proviron much more cost effective than Masteron for a cycle. Is it safe to run that long?
And from what I've read, mg is the optimal dose? Proviron itself doesn't really do anything. It acts as an AI, and potentiates other steroids you're running. And obviously every time you lower estrogen your lipid profile is gonna get worse.
Proviron is not very hepatoxic maybe it's not at all. So you could run it that long, but I'm not sure about it.
Ok mate first a few questions: With that being said you need to learn a little bit about Masteron and Proviron. Where one does not wish to use a large amount of injectable testosterone and wishes to use either no trenbolone or only a modest amount of that drug, Masteron is often an ideal choice for inclusion in a steroid stack, or in some cases for use as the sole injectable for a steroid cycle.
Masteron Side Effects Masteron undergoes no aromatization conversion to estrogen , no conversion to DHT or potentiation by the 5-AR enzyme, and as an unalkylated steroid it poses no liver issues.
In these regards and also in overall side effects, Masteron is best compared with Primobolan Depot. In terms of positive effects in an anabolic steroid cycle, Masteron is at least as effective as Primobolan per milligram for mass gain and for fat loss, and appears better for hardening.
Masteron as an Anti-Estrogen Dromostanolone has some reputation for anti-estrogenic activity, but in actuality this effect is fairly subtle. If due to use of aromatizing steroids a steroid cycle would produce substantially excessive levels of estrogen, adding Masteron to the cycle will not fix that. Instead, an anti-aromatase such as letrozole or anastrozole should be used. However, where only a moderate amount of aromatizing steroid is being used, Masteron can in many instances be sufficient as the sole anti-estrogenic agent.
It seems that the most common reason for many to consider including it in a steroid stack is for anti-estrogenic activity. In the days before anti-aromatases and the use of SERMs selective estrogen receptor modulators such as Clomid and Nolvadex, there was some merit to this. An amount of aromatizing steroid marginally over the amount that would be tolerable without Proviron became tolerable with the inclusion of it. However, the effect is indeed only marginal, and much better anti-estrogenic agents now exist.
When these are used, there is no need for Proviron as an anti-estrogen. The mechanism by which it has some effectiveness in this regard is from binding weakly to the estrogen receptor without activating it, and to the aromatase enzyme. In the first case, this partially reduces the number of receptor sites momentarily available to bind estrogen, thus reducing estrogenic activity. In the second case, some fraction of aromatase molecules at any given moment are unavailable to bind and convert testosterone, their binding sites being occupied with mesterolone.
Ok so by now you have read the links and gotten at least a basic idea, of the compounds. Using masteron is great but frankly only worth while if you are in single digit body fat, and are blowing up super lean, or cutting down for a show. It has its uses on heavy long cycles, but frankly that is where Proviron really shines. Not only will it let you squeeze every mg out of your test and other drugs that will bind with SHGB.
That being said it will help in a few other areas as well, namely libido and helping you harden up at the tail end of the cycle. The big question to you is what is the goal of the cycle? Because proviron is not a substitute for masteron, or vice versa. But please by all means mate fire us your stats and goals for this up coming cycle and we can better advise you. A bit more about Proviron: Mesterolone is an orally active, 1-methylated DHT.
Like Masteron, but then actually delivered in an oral fashion. DHT is the conversion product of testosterone at the 5-alpha-reductase enzyme, the result being a hormone that is 3 to 4 times as androgenic and is structurally incapable of forming estrogen. One would imagine then that mesterolone would be a perfect drug to enhance strength and add small but completely lean gains to the frame.
Unfortunately there is a control mechanism for DHT in the human body. When levels get too high, the 3alpha hydroxysteroid dehydrogenase enzyme converts it to a mostly inactive compound known as 3-alpha 5-alpha-androstan-3alpha,17beta-diol , a prohormone if you will.
But it means that unless one uses ridiculously high amounts, most of what is administered is quite useless at the height of the androgen receptor in muscle tissue and thus mesterolone is not particularly suited, if at all, to promote muscle hypertrophy. Proviron has four distinct uses in the world of bodybuilding.
The first being the result of its structure. It is 5-alpha reduced and not capable of forming estrogen, yet it nonetheless has a much higher affinity for the aromatase enzyme which converts testosterone to estrogen than testosterone does.
That means in administering it with testosterone or another aromatizable compound, it prevents estrogen build-up because it binds to the aromatase enzyme very strongly, thereby preventing these steroids from interacting with it and forming estrogen. So Mesterolone use has the extreme benefit of reducing estrogenic side-effects and water retention noted with other steroids, and as such still help to provide mostly lean gains.
Its also been suggested that it may actually downgrade the actual estrogen receptor making it doubly effective at reducing circulating estrogen levels. The second use is in enhancing the potency of testosterone. Testosterone in the body at normal physiological levels is mostly inactive. As much as 97 or 98 percent of testosterone in that amount is bound to sex hormone binding globulin SHBG and albumin, two proteins. In such a form testosterone is mostly inactive.
But as with the aromatase enzyme, DHT has a higher affinity for these proteins than testosterone does, so when administered simultaneously the mesterolone will attach to the SHBG and albumin, leaving larger amounts of free testosterone to mediate anabolic activities such as protein synthesis. Another way in which it helps to increase gains. Its also another part of the equation that makes it ineffective on its own, as binding to these proteins too, would render it a non-issue at the androgen receptor.
Thirdly, mesterolone is added in pre-contest phases to increase a distinct hardness and muscle density. Probably due to its reduction in circulating estrogen, perhaps due to the downregulating of the estrogen receptor in muscle tissue, it decreases the total water build-up of the body giving its user a much leaner look, and a visual effect of possessing "harder" muscles with more cuts and striations.
Proviron is often used as a last-minute secret by a lot of bodybuilders and both actors and models have used it time and again to deliver top shape day in day out, when needed. Like the other methylated DHT compound, drostanolone, mesterolone is particularly potent in achieving this feat. Lastly Proviron is used during a cycle of certain hormones such as nandrolone, with a distinct lack of androgenic nature, or perhaps 5-alpha reduced hormones that don't have the same affinities as DHT does.
Such compounds, thinking of trenbolone, nandrolone and such in particular, have been known to decrease libido. Limiting the athlete to perform sexually being the logical result. DHT plays a key role in this process and is therefore administered in conjunction with such steroids to ease or relieve this annoying side-effect. Proviron is also commonly prescribed by doctors to people with low levels of testosterone, or patients with chronic impotence.
Its not perceived as a powerful anabolic, but it gets the job done equally well if not better than other anabolic steroids making it a favorite in medical practices due to its lower chance of abuse. Mesterolone is generally well liked nonetheless as it delivers very few side-effects in men.
In high doses it can cause some virilization symptoms in women. But because of the high level of deactivation and pre-destination in the system albumin, SHBG, 3bHSD, aromatase quite a lot of it, if not all simply never reaches the androgen receptor where it would cause anabolic effects, but also side-effects. So its relatively safe. Doses between 25 and mg per day are used with no adverse effects.
Unlike what some suggest or believe, its not advised that Proviron be used when not used in conjunction with another steroid, as it too is quite suppressive of natural testosterone, leading to all sorts of future complications upon discontinuation. Ranging from loss of libido or erectile dysfunction all the way up to infertility. One would not be aware of such dangers because Proviron fulfills most of the functions of normal levels of testosterone.
Mesterolone is an oral alkylated steroid. If used primarily as an anti-aromatase drug, using it throughout a longer cycle weeks of injectables may elevate liver values a little bit, though much, much less than one would expect with a alpha-alkylated steroid.
Even though instead of inhibiting gains, mesterolone may actually contribute to gains. So that's a bit of a shame. Its not quite as toxic since its not alkylated in the same fashion, but at the 1 position, which reduces hepatic breakdown, but not like alpha alkylation. The reason for the change of position I assume, is because alkylating at the alpha position has been shown to reduce affinity for sex hormone binding proteins.
This would in turn decrease its ability to free testosterone. Nonetheless the delivery rate is quite good. Its taken daily in mg doses. The best thing to stack it with is testosterone of course.
Since the DHT can compete for these structures with higher affinity it would naturally lead to a higher yield of whatever testosterone product you stacked it with. Since DHT levels are notably higher now there is also more stimulation of the androgen receptor causing more strength gains, and because of its affinity for aromatase the overall estrogen level decreases as well.
This has as a result that gains are leaner, and once again the overall testosterone yield is increased as less I converted at the aromatase enzyme. It's of course used in other stacks with products such as methandrostenolone, boldenone and nandrolone to reduce estrogenic activity and increase muscle hardness.
The addition of proviron makes boldenone a dead lock for a cutting stack and for some may even make it possible to use nandrolone while cutting, although the use of Winstrol or a receptor antagonist in conjunction is wishful as well.
The benefit of adding it to a nandrolone stack is that it may also help you reduce the decrease in libido suffered from nandrolone, since the latter is mostly deactivated by 5-alpha reductase, an enzyme that makes other hormones more androgenic. Proviron is an anti-aromatase, so obviously anti-estrogens would be futile and redundant.
Blood pressure medication for those prone to hypertension may be wise, as this DHT can increase the blood pressure. Nice find GF I was looking for some thing a little bit technical then what I posted, but the damn ipod screen is just way to small to really delve into a paper.